A Question on LCD HDTV sets

Maverick · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

I'm seriously considering purchasing a 50" Sony Hi-Scan XBR LCD Grand
Wega (KF50XBR800). I've heard that these sets are much more thinner and
lightweight to move around, and you can actually tilt these sets upright
so you can maneuver them in a tight hallway inclosure through a small
bedroom (my bedroom is the designated home theater room). Otherwise, I
would have purchased a plasma, but I think they're not perfected yet,
and way too expensive for what they're worth.

Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.

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Uptown Audio · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

The Samsung LCD sets are exceptional as well and are physically
similar to the description of the other brand. They offer a better
value than most and have very large sizes available. Either the LCD or
DLP sets will be much more cost effective and less problematic than
plasma types. The DLP sets have a brighter picture and darker blacks
from a zero degree viewing axis, but they also have a more narrow
viewing axis which makes performance less spectacular from aside or
below. We have a demo Samsung 40" LCD here that weighs only 60 lbs and
is only 12 1/2" deep.
- Bill
www.uptownaudio.com
Roanoke VA
(540) 343-1250

"Rick" wrote in message$ic1.341290@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> "Maverick" wrote in message
> @storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> > I'm seriously considering purchasing a 50" Sony Hi-Scan XBR LCD
Grand
> > Wega (KF50XBR800). I've heard that these sets are much more
thinner and
> > lightweight to move around, and you can actually tilt these sets
upright
> > so you can maneuver them in a tight hallway inclosure through a
small
> > bedroom (my bedroom is the designated home theater room).
Otherwise, I
> > would have purchased a plasma, but I think they're not perfected
yet,
> > and way too expensive for what they're worth.
> >
> > Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.
> >
> >
>
> We looked long and hard at that model before buying the KP57WV700
instead.
> Basically, the blacks on the LCD projection TVs are a bit washed out
> compared to the regular RPTVs. IMHO, the way to go right now if you
have
> the money is one of the new Samsung DLP TVs. Picture is just
spectacular.
>
>

d a v e · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

"Maverick" wrote in message@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> I'm seriously considering purchasing a 50" Sony Hi-Scan XBR LCD Grand
> Wega (KF50XBR800). I've heard that these sets are much more thinner and
> lightweight to move around, and you can actually tilt these sets upright
> so you can maneuver them in a tight hallway inclosure through a small
> bedroom (my bedroom is the designated home theater room). Otherwise, I
> would have purchased a plasma, but I think they're not perfected yet,
> and way too expensive for what they're worth.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.
>

i'd suggest reading through the following...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=196558

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199850

d a v e

Rick · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

"Maverick" wrote in message@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> I'm seriously considering purchasing a 50" Sony Hi-Scan XBR LCD Grand
> Wega (KF50XBR800). I've heard that these sets are much more thinner and
> lightweight to move around, and you can actually tilt these sets upright
> so you can maneuver them in a tight hallway inclosure through a small
> bedroom (my bedroom is the designated home theater room). Otherwise, I
> would have purchased a plasma, but I think they're not perfected yet,
> and way too expensive for what they're worth.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.
>
>

We looked long and hard at that model before buying the KP57WV700 instead.
Basically, the blacks on the LCD projection TVs are a bit washed out
compared to the regular RPTVs. IMHO, the way to go right now if you have
the money is one of the new Samsung DLP TVs. Picture is just spectacular.

Maverick · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

Thanks for the info guys, much appreciated it! Smile

d a v e · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

"Shaun" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 19:01:33 GMT, "Rick"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Maverick" wrote in message
> >@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> >> I'm seriously considering purchasing a 50" Sony Hi-Scan XBR LCD Grand
> >> Wega (KF50XBR800). I've heard that these sets are much more thinner and
> >> lightweight to move around, and you can actually tilt these sets
upright
> >> so you can maneuver them in a tight hallway inclosure through a small
> >> bedroom (my bedroom is the designated home theater room). Otherwise, I
> >> would have purchased a plasma, but I think they're not perfected yet,
> >> and way too expensive for what they're worth.
> >>
> >> Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.
>
> >We looked long and hard at that model before buying the KP57WV700
instead.
> >Basically, the blacks on the LCD projection TVs are a bit washed out
> >compared to the regular RPTVs. IMHO, the way to go right now if you have
> >the money is one of the new Samsung DLP TVs. Picture is just
spectacular.
>
> If you don't mind a headache, rainbow effect, terrible field of view
> etc go for a DLP.

don't forget to mention that the first two points you bring up vary greatly
between individuals.
not everyone see's rainbows or gets headaches, the majority i've talked to
and read about don't.
as far as field of view, the samsung DLP's i've seen are much better than
CRT RPTV and in my comparison, actually better than the sony GWII LCD RPTV.

basically what bothers one person may not bother all people, and you can't
just go by the numbers, it all depends on what your eyes are comfortable
with...

Hugh Candlin · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 20

Maverick wrote in message@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> I'm seriously considering purchasing a 50" Sony Hi-Scan XBR LCD Grand
> Wega (KF50XBR800). I've heard that these sets are much more thinner and
> lightweight to move around, and you can actually tilt these sets upright
> so you can maneuver them in a tight hallway inclosure through a small
> bedroom (my bedroom is the designated home theater room). Otherwise, I
> would have purchased a plasma, but I think they're not perfected yet,
> and way too expensive for what they're worth.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.

LCDs aren't perfected either.

They don't have the same snap as CRTs,
so there is the smear factor to contend with.

Shaun · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 19:01:33 GMT, "Rick"
wrote:

>
>"Maverick" wrote in message
>@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>> I'm seriously considering purchasing a 50" Sony Hi-Scan XBR LCD Grand
>> Wega (KF50XBR800). I've heard that these sets are much more thinner and
>> lightweight to move around, and you can actually tilt these sets upright
>> so you can maneuver them in a tight hallway inclosure through a small
>> bedroom (my bedroom is the designated home theater room). Otherwise, I
>> would have purchased a plasma, but I think they're not perfected yet,
>> and way too expensive for what they're worth.
>>
>> Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.

>We looked long and hard at that model before buying the KP57WV700 instead.
>Basically, the blacks on the LCD projection TVs are a bit washed out
>compared to the regular RPTVs. IMHO, the way to go right now if you have
>the money is one of the new Samsung DLP TVs. Picture is just spectacular.

If you don't mind a headache, rainbow effect, terrible field of view
etc go for a DLP. Contrast ratio on DLP/LCD's is in the 800:1 to
1000:1 range, very poor. New Panasonic Plasma's are 3000-4000:1 range.
Incredible black levels. If you can't swing the HD version take a
serious look at the new SD (ex ED) panny which will down convert 1080i
and still look damn amazing. Compare it with the HD version displaying
HD and you will see what I mean. The new SD's will be a great value
imo. Dont rush it

sammy dlp thread, do some snooping around at this site about the sony,
samsung dlp's.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=274841

(June 3, 2003) At INFOCOMM

PANASONIC UNVEILS 42 HD AND SD PLASMA DISPLAYS WITH INDUSTRY’S HIGHEST
CONTRAST RATIO, AMAZING 1,536 SHADES OF GRADATION !

New 42 HD Model Offers 45% Brightness Improvement Panels Offer Unique
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ORLANDO, FL (June 3, 2003) At INFOCOMM, Panasonic introduced new 42
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Rick · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

"Shaun" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> If you don't mind a headache, rainbow effect, terrible field of view
> etc go for a DLP. Contrast ratio on DLP/LCD's is in the 800:1 to
> 1000:1 range, very poor.

Actually, having watched the Samsung DLP sets quite a bit in the store, I
didn't notice the rainbow effect at all, and the reviews I've read have
mentioned that it is just about unnoticable. The contrast ratio on the
Samsung is supposed to be 2000:1 although I have no way of knowing what it
actually is. All I know is that the picture looks better than anything else
I've seen, including every plasma except for the $10K+ models.

Shaun · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 02:17:10 GMT, "Rick"
wrote:

>. All I know is that the picture looks better than anything else
>I've seen, including every plasma except for the $10K+ models.

Did you look at the DLP for more than five minutes ? I have watched
the Sammy for quite a while numerous times and honestly after 15
minutes I'm fried. Maybe my eyes are sensitive but I could never own
one the way they perform now. Also, most people cant tell the
difference between a 10k 50" Fujitsu (3000:1ct) or a 5k 50" Panny
(3000:1ct) . I see both units extensively and I can't. They are both
at the top of the food chain.. The new lineup of Panasonics (4000:1)
should close that gap if there actually is one at all and could
surpass it. Btw, the Samsung DLP is 1000:1, very weak black levels
compared to the better Plasma'. If you have no black levels, you have
no detail. Enjoy the strobe light.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=252571&highlight=Samsung+DLP

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=276993&highlight=DLP
DLP rainbow HELL
Well, I always had a hard time looking for rainbows until I started
trying. I was talking to the salesperson at Fry's and he didnt believe
me about rainbows being on that set and now I've stumbled across the
almighty god of rainbow hell.

Warning dont read any further if you haven't noticed any rainbows and
like to keep it that way.

I was trying to get the salesperson to dart his eyes around and trying
to explain what it looked like. I could barely see it myself when I
darted my eyes around but I found the rainbow holy grail. (now that I
think about it someone else has probably posted this long ago). Go to
the THX optimizer setting on any of the Star Wars DVD's and under the
video optimizer, you'll reach a picture of a white circle on a black
background and it is rainbow death. Non believer will be converted
instantly. One non believer said "Oh Gawd! What the hell is that!!"
The sales person from Frys says he cant get away from the rainbows
anymore. I'm hoping I can get over this because after seeing that, I'm
noticing the rainbows a lot more in regular programming.

Well, I hope you guys are ok if you decide to see it. It's kind of
like the Matrix. Before you knew the truth, everything seemed ok. Im
agreeing much more in what Cypher said, "Ignorance is bliss".

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2393241&highlight=Samsung+DLP#post2393241

I also was one that didn't see the rainbow effect when viewing the
Samsung DLP 50" at different stores.

BUT when I bought one and brought it home, when in a week of watching
it, I started seeing them. It start only a few times then it seem to
be
continuously.

I could reproduce the problem just about every time when I was
watching
a program and keeping my head fairly still. Then if I quickly looked
to the right like reaching for a drink on the table, I would see it.
That was the most common. I could also see it at times by just quickly
moving me eyes back and forth across the screen. AND there were times
when fast scene
changes would happen and I would see it.

SO it's not a myth... Now from reading not everyone sees them, so you
could be one of these lucky ones.

I would recommend that if you buy one, make sure you get it from a
good local retail outlet that has at least a 30 return/exchange policy
in case you start seeing it at the house like I did.

By the way, I end up getting the Sony GWII LCD and I have been happy
with it..
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Karl · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 04:32:43 GMT, Shaun wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 02:17:10 GMT, "Rick"
> wrote:
>
>>. All I know is that the picture looks better than anything else
>>I've seen, including every plasma except for the $10K+ models.
>
>Did you look at the DLP for more than five minutes ? I have watched
>the Sammy for quite a while numerous times and honestly after 15
>minutes I'm fried.

I seriously considering buying one of these. What do you mean by
"fried"?

Thanks,

Karl

Rick · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

"Shaun" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 02:17:10 GMT, "Rick"
> wrote:
>
> >. All I know is that the picture looks better than anything else
> >I've seen, including every plasma except for the $10K+ models.
>
> Did you look at the DLP for more than five minutes ?

Yes. I watched most of Toy Story 2 on it.

Shaun · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 06:26:40 -0800, Karl
wrote:

>I seriously considering buying one of these. What do you mean by
>"fried"?

Well, I do computer/network work and most of the companies I support
(clothing) run low refresh rate monitors. When the day is done my eyes
are on fire, bloodshot etc. When I spend the day at an engineering
firm or architects that run 90-100 hz I feel fine. DLP's do the same
thing to me. MMV for others but that's me.

Steven Toney · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

What's the advantage of these samsung DLP over say a similar priced DLP
projector

I have been think about getting a DLP pojector for some Home theater and
some large display from my PC's as most fo these things have several inputs
including PC monitor as well as the component and other things

thanks

"Shaun" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 06:26:40 -0800, Karl
> wrote:
>
>
> >I seriously considering buying one of these. What do you mean by
> >"fried"?
>
> Well, I do computer/network work and most of the companies I support
> (clothing) run low refresh rate monitors. When the day is done my eyes
> are on fire, bloodshot etc. When I spend the day at an engineering
> firm or architects that run 90-100 hz I feel fine. DLP's do the same
> thing to me. MMV for others but that's me.
>
>
>

Uptown Audio · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

They are much the same, but for room size, screen size. The rear
projectors operate as simply as TVs and can be placed in small rooms
to provide a large screen area (up to about 60") where you can walk in
front of the set without being blinded by the light of a projetcor.
The projectors are brighter on a good screen and can be used to create
huge images in very long rooms. You need the space to set one up and
it is best to have enough room to be able to walk behind the projector
so as not to interrupt the program and to avoid having to cover your
eyes while doing it. They can also be more expensive when you figure
in all the installation, screen, cable expenses that go with them.
Some of the larger DLP rear projections sets are pretty high too. So
it basically depends upon your room size, how large you want the
image, how complex the set-up you care to deal with and how much you
want to put into it. I don't think that any one solution is best for
all situations.
- Bill
www.uptownaudio.com
Roanoke VA
(540) 343-1250

"Steven Toney" wrote in message$uy2.544@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> What's the advantage of these samsung DLP over say a similar priced
DLP
> projector
>
> I have been think about getting a DLP pojector for some Home theater
and
> some large display from my PC's as most fo these things have several
inputs
> including PC monitor as well as the component and other things
>
> thanks
>
>
> "Shaun" wrote in message
> @4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 06:26:40 -0800, Karl
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I seriously considering buying one of these. What do you mean by
> > >"fried"?
> >
> > Well, I do computer/network work and most of the companies I
support
> > (clothing) run low refresh rate monitors. When the day is done my
eyes
> > are on fire, bloodshot etc. When I spend the day at an engineering
> > firm or architects that run 90-100 hz I feel fine. DLP's do the
same
> > thing to me. MMV for others but that's me.
> >
> >
> >
>
>