Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs thi

RickH · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 43

On Aug 17, 12:45 pm, "HD Freak" wrote:
> Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year
>
> New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
> 1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year, which
> shows good news for Blu-ray.

That study is skewed by the fact that most laptops sold lately come
with Blueray over HD drives, so that becomes the motivation. Is it
HT? Is it convergence? Also how much of that is due to having the
more popular titles? I hope eventually the format that "wins" is the
technically better one, not the marketed or politically better one,
like what happened to Beta. Nobody really benefits if the technically
superior one loses for political/marketing reasons.

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John Carrier · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 33

"RickH" wrote in message @x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 17, 12:45 pm, "HD Freak" wrote:
>> Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year
>>
>> New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
>> 1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year,
>> which
>> shows good news for Blu-ray.
>
> That study is skewed by the fact that most laptops sold lately come
> with Blueray over HD drives, so that becomes the motivation. Is it
> HT? Is it convergence? Also how much of that is due to having the
> more popular titles? I hope eventually the format that "wins" is the
> technically better one, not the marketed or politically better one,
> like what happened to Beta. Nobody really benefits if the technically
> superior one loses for political/marketing reasons.

Ever hear the aphorism, "Better is the enemy of good enough?" B/R appears
to be slightly superior, but does it matter? Perhaps to technophobes who
claim they can detect the improvement in sound when a amp has 3ft of
sterling silver power cord connecting it to the household current (carried
by yards of lowest common denominator romax).

Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't videophiles.
I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air. The
market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor marketing.

R / John

HD Freak · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 32

Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year

New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year, which
shows good news for Blu-ray.

Sal M. Onella · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

wrote in message@news3.newsguy.com...

> The market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor
marketing.
>
> At 25 GB vs. 15 GB, the advantage is in the hands of B-R. More time at
the
> same compression, or less compress at the same time. Or more data files
on
> your computer.
>

A supportive look back:
Betamax home video was first from Sony (1975 ) and had arguably better
quality video. When VHS was introduced, it quickly gained an advantage by
having longer taping time per cassette. According to one article I read,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax, RCA pushed Matsushita for the LP VHS
mode. Apparently, the VHS time advantage was all that mattered. I had both
machines in the late 1970's/early 1980's and it mattered to me! Tapes cost
$25.00 each.

phil-news-nospam · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 12

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv John Carrier wrote:
|
| "RickH" wrote in message
| @x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
|> On Aug 17, 12:45 pm, "HD Freak" wrote:
|>> Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year
|>>
|>> New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
|>> 1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year,
|>> which
|>> shows good news for Blu-ray.
|>
|> That study is skewed by the fact that most laptops sold lately come
|> with Blueray over HD drives, so that becomes the motivation. Is it
|> HT? Is it convergence? Also how much of that is due to having the
|> more popular titles? I hope eventually the format that "wins" is the
|> technically better one, not the marketed or politically better one,
|> like what happened to Beta. Nobody really benefits if the technically
|> superior one loses for political/marketing reasons.
|
| Ever hear the aphorism, "Better is the enemy of good enough?" B/R appears
| to be slightly superior, but does it matter? Perhaps to technophobes who
| claim they can detect the improvement in sound when a amp has 3ft of
| sterling silver power cord connecting it to the household current (carried
| by yards of lowest common denominator romax).
|
| Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't videophiles.
| I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air. The
| market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor marketing.

At 25 GB vs. 15 GB, the advantage is in the hands of B-R. More time at the
same compression, or less compress at the same time. Or more data files on
your computer.

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Kuskokwim · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 20

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:22:39 -0500, John Carrier wrote:

Perhaps to technophobes who
> claim they can detect the improvement in sound when a amp has 3ft of
> sterling silver power cord connecting it to the household current ......

......with an even greater improvement after it has been "broken-in" after
20 hours of use. Having it blessed by a Shinto priest provides even more
improvement, especially in the mid-bass region.

John Carrier · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 33

wrote in message @news3.newsguy.com...
> In alt.tv.tech.hdtv John Carrier wrote:
> |
> | "RickH" wrote in message
> | @x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> |> On Aug 17, 12:45 pm, "HD Freak" wrote:
> |>> Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year
> |>>
> |>> New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research
> provides a
> |>> 1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year,
> |>> which
> |>> shows good news for Blu-ray.
> |>
> |> That study is skewed by the fact that most laptops sold lately come
> |> with Blueray over HD drives, so that becomes the motivation. Is it
> |> HT? Is it convergence? Also how much of that is due to having the
> |> more popular titles? I hope eventually the format that "wins" is the
> |> technically better one, not the marketed or politically better one,
> |> like what happened to Beta. Nobody really benefits if the technically
> |> superior one loses for political/marketing reasons.
> |
> | Ever hear the aphorism, "Better is the enemy of good enough?" B/R
> appears
> | to be slightly superior, but does it matter? Perhaps to technophobes
> who
> | claim they can detect the improvement in sound when a amp has 3ft of
> | sterling silver power cord connecting it to the household current
> (carried
> | by yards of lowest common denominator romax).
> |
> | Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't
> videophiles.
> | I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air.
> The
> | market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor
> marketing.
>
> At 25 GB vs. 15 GB, the advantage is in the hands of B-R. More time at
> the
> same compression, or less compress at the same time. Or more data files
> on
> your computer.

Very true. Again the issue will be whether it matters or not in the
consumer marketplace. Will a movie be clearly superior in B/R to John and
Mary Q. Public? Will the higher data capacity matter when you can just
stream to another disk? Ultimately, I think its going to get down to price
and right now that's still mostly in the arean for the
videophile/technophobe who always leads the tech charge. IIRC, Blockbuster
went with B/R. If a consumer (Walmart) priced player or drive comes out
soon, it'll win.

R / John

phil-news-nospam · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 12

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Sal M. Onella wrote:
|
| wrote in message
| @news3.newsguy.com...
|
|
|
|> The market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor
| marketing.
|>
|> At 25 GB vs. 15 GB, the advantage is in the hands of B-R. More time at
| the
|> same compression, or less compress at the same time. Or more data files
| on
|> your computer.
|>
|
| A supportive look back:
| Betamax home video was first from Sony (1975 ) and had arguably better
| quality video. When VHS was introduced, it quickly gained an advantage by
| having longer taping time per cassette. According to one article I read,
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax, RCA pushed Matsushita for the LP VHS
| mode. Apparently, the VHS time advantage was all that mattered. I had both
| machines in the late 1970's/early 1980's and it mattered to me! Tapes cost
| $25.00 each.

My Sony EIAJ deck needed tape reels that cost $39.95 for just one hour.
At one point I had 5 reels before I finally sold it. I had it hooked up
to the baseband output of a JVC professional monitor and had to change
tapes real fast (it involved threading the tape around the head) to record
a two hour movie (and later rewind both). I could deal with that. But it
was getting expensive to buy tapes on a college student budget. The 3/4
inch cassette deck came out so I sold the EIAJ and started to save for one
of those. Never did get one. But they do show up on EBay every now and
then these days (as do the IVC one inch reel-to-reel pro decks I really
wanted). I finally broke down and got a VHS deck around 1987 (and it was
toasted by a lightning induced surge in 1994 that killed the CPU on it).
It was actually a very nice deck with insert editing which I used to cut
commercials on the fly as I recorded TV shows. I would stop the record
just after commercials started and back it up to the start of commercials
and single frame to the first black and pause it. It would then let me
switch to record while in pause and stay paused, and then go forward at
full speed when I hit play, all done right on the deck itself to avoid
remote latency. Playback across those edits was very smooth.

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Italo · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

"HD Freak" wrote in message$0$2600$547a23d3@news.telebyte.nl...
> Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year
>
> New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
> 1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year, which
> shows good news for Blu-ray.

Doesn't seem to matter to Paramount and Dreamworks, they're going for HD-DVD
and dropping Blue Ray:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/08/20/entertainment/e090057D31.DTL

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Italo

WGD · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

For those who have not yet read the news today, , Paramount and Dreamworks
have switched from Blu-Ray to HD-DVD.

Target and Blockbuster recently announced their decision to sell Blu-Ray
only. Now, a bad decision.

"HD Freak" wrote in message $0$2600$547a23d3@news.telebyte.nl...
> Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year
>
> New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
> 1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year, which
> shows good news for Blu-ray.
>

skip · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"WGD" wrote in$wW6.1406@trnddc08:

> For those who have not yet read the news today, , Paramount and
> Dreamworks have switched from Blu-Ray to HD-DVD.
>
> Target and Blockbuster recently announced their decision to sell
> Blu-Ray only. Now, a bad decision.
>
>
>
>
Yes I cancelled Blockbuster because of that

WGD · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

It is understandable that retailers want to jump on the bandwagon; however,
the wagons are still at the starting gate.
WGD

"skip" wrote in message @207.115.33.102...
> "WGD" wrote in
> $wW6.1406@trnddc08:
>
>> For those who have not yet read the news today, , Paramount and
>> Dreamworks have switched from Blu-Ray to HD-DVD.
>>
>> Target and Blockbuster recently announced their decision to sell
>> Blu-Ray only. Now, a bad decision.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Yes I cancelled Blockbuster because of that

Italo · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

"WGD" wrote in message %Kyi.9841$A57.3201@trnddc04...
> It is understandable that retailers want to jump on the bandwagon;
> however, the wagons are still at the starting gate.
> WGD

Starting gate? They haven't even left the stalls...
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Italo

WGD · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

Target has now said that they will be selling Blu-Ray players and both
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD disks

"WGD" wrote in message $wW6.1406@trnddc08...
> For those who have not yet read the news today, , Paramount and Dreamworks
> have switched from Blu-Ray to HD-DVD.
>
> Target and Blockbuster recently announced their decision to sell Blu-Ray
> only. Now, a bad decision.
>
>
>
>
> "HD Freak" wrote in message
> $0$2600$547a23d3@news.telebyte.nl...
>> Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year
>>
>> New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
>> 1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year,
>> which shows good news for Blu-ray.
>>
>
>

Tom Payne · Joined: 30 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

In alt.home-theater.misc John Carrier wrote:
[...]
> Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't videophiles.
> I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air. The
> market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor marketing.

Hmmmmm. What makes you think that the "market itself" isn't
determined by "politics or marketing."

Some of my friends believe that as the porn industry goes, so goes the
market, and they've gone HD-DVD. But so far it's not clear that's how
the industry is going.

I believe that the battle will be won on something that absurd, but ...

THP