Bluray w/DVD-A Support?

Dave Bugg · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 182

Obscured by Clouds wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" wrote in message
> $fZ3.4421@trndny02...
>> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>>> "grant kinsley" wrote in message
>>> @4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:56:49 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Z" wrote in message
>>>>> $0$17348$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>> Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A?
>>>>>> I came
>>>>>> across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but
>>>>>> this player seems to have a number of flaws.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't look for this to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sony is exlcusive BluRay, and exclusive SACD which competes with
>>>>> DVD-A, so I
>>>>> doubt it will happen.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, your reasoning is poor, but I wouldn't expect the outcome to
>>>> be different.
>>>
>>> Actually my reasoning is spot on. That's why no Sony players support
>>> DVD-A.
>>
>> No, your reasoning was off. Blu-Ray is licensed to other
>> manufacturers for production of BluRay DVD players. There is NOTHING
>> in the licensing arangements that keep other manufacturers from
>> including DVD-A capability in
>> their products.
>
> We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about
> Sony. Show me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.

Wrong. Take a look at the OP:

"Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A? I came
across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but this player
seems to have a number of flaws."

The talk wasn't just about Sony.

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www.davebbq.com

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Dave Bugg · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 182

Steven Sullivan wrote:
> grant kinsley wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:56:49 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
>> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> "Rich Z" wrote in message
>>> $0$17348$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A?
>>>> I came across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but
>>>> this player seems to have a number of flaws.
>>>
>>> Don't look for this to happen.
>>>
>>> Sony is exlcusive BluRay, and exclusive SACD which competes with
>>> DVD-A, so I doubt it will happen.
>>>
>> Well, your reasoning is poor, but I wouldn't expect the outcome to be
>> different.
>
>> SACD and DVD-A are basically obsolete and the various companies
>> manufacturing Blu-Ray players are unlikely to see a need to add DVD-A
>> capability.
>
>> Those in the music market wanting to put out hi-def recordings would
>> be better off putting out blu-ray discs and use Dolby True HD or the
>> DTS equivalent to appeal to the audiophiles.
>
>> However there is no reason that the many other bluray manufacturers
>> other than Sony can't make SACD or DVD-A capable players.
>
> Such as...Oppo.

From what Oppo has recently said, it doesn't sound as if it is going ot get
into the Hi-def player game anytime soon.
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Dave
www.davebbq.com

The Man From Mars · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 16

> Sony is exlcusive BluRay, and exclusive SACD which competes with DVD-A, so
> I
> doubt it will happen.
Already has happened. Panasonic BD10A is the best (to date) Blu-ray player
there is and is fully DVD Audio functional.

Great player...

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Steven Sullivan · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

Dave Bugg wrote:
> Steven Sullivan wrote:
> > grant kinsley wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:56:49 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> "Rich Z" wrote in message
> >>> $0$17348$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >>>> Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A?
> >>>> I came across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but
> >>>> this player seems to have a number of flaws.
> >>>
> >>> Don't look for this to happen.
> >>>
> >>> Sony is exlcusive BluRay, and exclusive SACD which competes with
> >>> DVD-A, so I doubt it will happen.
> >>>
> >> Well, your reasoning is poor, but I wouldn't expect the outcome to be
> >> different.
> >
> >> SACD and DVD-A are basically obsolete and the various companies
> >> manufacturing Blu-Ray players are unlikely to see a need to add DVD-A
> >> capability.
> >
> >> Those in the music market wanting to put out hi-def recordings would
> >> be better off putting out blu-ray discs and use Dolby True HD or the
> >> DTS equivalent to appeal to the audiophiles.
> >
> >> However there is no reason that the many other bluray manufacturers
> >> other than Sony can't make SACD or DVD-A capable players.
> >
> > Such as...Oppo.

> From what Oppo has recently said, it doesn't sound as if it is going ot get
> into the Hi-def player game anytime soon.

Depends on how you define 'soon'. I suspect we'll see one from them in a year or
two. They're interested:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/20/oppo-next-to-create-a-new-blu-ray-player

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-S
"Hey pip squeak, who's L Ron, some new rapper?" -- Nic

Dave Bugg · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 182

Steven Sullivan wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>> Steven Sullivan wrote:
>>> grant kinsley wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:56:49 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Z" wrote in message
>>>>> $0$17348$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>> Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A?
>>>>>> I came across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but
>>>>>> this player seems to have a number of flaws.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't look for this to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sony is exlcusive BluRay, and exclusive SACD which competes with
>>>>> DVD-A, so I doubt it will happen.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, your reasoning is poor, but I wouldn't expect the outcome to
>>>> be different.
>>>
>>>> SACD and DVD-A are basically obsolete and the various companies
>>>> manufacturing Blu-Ray players are unlikely to see a need to add
>>>> DVD-A capability.
>>>
>>>> Those in the music market wanting to put out hi-def recordings
>>>> would be better off putting out blu-ray discs and use Dolby True
>>>> HD or the DTS equivalent to appeal to the audiophiles.
>>>
>>>> However there is no reason that the many other bluray manufacturers
>>>> other than Sony can't make SACD or DVD-A capable players.
>>>
>>> Such as...Oppo.
>
>> From what Oppo has recently said, it doesn't sound as if it is going
>> ot get into the Hi-def player game anytime soon.
>
>
> Depends on how you define 'soon'. I suspect we'll see one from them
> in a year or two. They're interested:
>
> http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/20/oppo-next-to-create-a-new-blu-ray-player

Wow. That's a complete turnaround from a few weeks ago. If anyone will
become the competitve nexis to drive down the price of a good Blu Ray
player, it will be Oppo.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Obscured by Clouds · Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 12

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:27:54 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
> wrote:
>
>>We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about Sony.
>>Show
>>me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.
>
> Actually, it would be a surprise to see any Sony product that supports
> DVD-A.

Exactly.

Obscured by Clouds · Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 12

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message $der$3@reader2.panix.com...
> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>> We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about Sony.
>
> No, 'we're' not. We're talking BluRay players with DVD-A support.
>
>> Show
>> me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.
>
>
> Sony is exclusively BluRay, but BluRay players are not exclusively Sony.
>
> Clear now?

The OP was looking for a Bluray player with DVD-A..Sony controls Bluray and
does not support DVD-A.

You clear now, or are you still trying to look for a Bluray player with
DVD-A support to prove me wrong?

Obscured by Clouds · Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 12

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message $my3.35@trndny06...
> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>> "Dave Bugg" wrote in message
>> $fZ3.4421@trndny02...
>>> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>>>> "grant kinsley" wrote in message
>>>> @4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:56:49 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Z" wrote in message
>>>>>> $0$17348$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>>> Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A?
>>>>>>> I came
>>>>>>> across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but
>>>>>>> this player seems to have a number of flaws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't look for this to happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sony is exlcusive BluRay, and exclusive SACD which competes with
>>>>>> DVD-A, so I
>>>>>> doubt it will happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, your reasoning is poor, but I wouldn't expect the outcome to
>>>>> be different.
>>>>
>>>> Actually my reasoning is spot on. That's why no Sony players support
>>>> DVD-A.
>>>
>>> No, your reasoning was off. Blu-Ray is licensed to other
>>> manufacturers for production of BluRay DVD players. There is NOTHING
>>> in the licensing arangements that keep other manufacturers from
>>> including DVD-A capability in
>>> their products.
>>
>> We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about
>> Sony. Show me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.
>
> Wrong. Take a look at the OP:
>
> "Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A? I came
> across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but this player
> seems to have a number of flaws."
>
> The talk wasn't just about Sony.

Point is...Sony won't allow DVD-A to mix with their Bluray format.

Gandalf · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 28

Obscured by Clouds wrote:
> "Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
> $der$3@reader2.panix.com...
>> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>>> We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about Sony.
>> No, 'we're' not. We're talking BluRay players with DVD-A support.
>>
>>> Show
>>> me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.
>>
>> Sony is exclusively BluRay, but BluRay players are not exclusively Sony.
>>
>> Clear now?
>
> The OP was looking for a Bluray player with DVD-A..Sony controls Bluray and
> does not support DVD-A.
>
> You clear now, or are you still trying to look for a Bluray player with
> DVD-A support to prove me wrong?

And yet the Panasonic DMP-BD10A supports DVD-A just fine.

imagine...

Gandalf · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 28

Obscured by Clouds wrote:

>> The talk wasn't just about Sony.
>
> Point is...Sony won't allow DVD-A to mix with their Bluray format.

In a Sony, yes.

Other Blu-Ray manufacturers can and do.

Dave Bugg · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 182

Obscured by Clouds wrote:
> "Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
> $der$3@reader2.panix.com...
>> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>>> We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about
>>> Sony.
>>
>> No, 'we're' not. We're talking BluRay players with DVD-A support.
>>
>>> Show
>>> me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.
>>
>>
>> Sony is exclusively BluRay, but BluRay players are not exclusively
>> Sony. Clear now?
>
> The OP was looking for a Bluray player with DVD-A..Sony controls
> Bluray and does not support DVD-A.

Bullshit. Sony LICENSES Bluray, and the licensing does not prohibit a
manufacturer from incorporating DVD-A. Both SACD and DVD-A formats are
falling the way of the 8 track. There just isn't much interest by consumers,
hence not much interest from the CD publishers.

> You clear now, or are you still trying to look for a Bluray player
> with DVD-A support to prove me wrong?

All you need to do is show us the cite prohibiting any manufacturer building
bluray players from using DVD-A. We'll wait.

Dave Bugg · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 182

Obscured by Clouds wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" wrote in message
> $my3.35@trndny06...
>> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>>> "Dave Bugg" wrote in message
>>> $fZ3.4421@trndny02...
>>>> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>>>>> "grant kinsley" wrote in message
>>>>> @4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:56:49 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rich Z" wrote in message
>>>>>>> $0$17348$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>>>> Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support
>>>>>>>> DVD-A? I came
>>>>>>>> across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but
>>>>>>>> this player seems to have a number of flaws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't look for this to happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sony is exlcusive BluRay, and exclusive SACD which competes with
>>>>>>> DVD-A, so I
>>>>>>> doubt it will happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, your reasoning is poor, but I wouldn't expect the outcome
>>>>>> to be different.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually my reasoning is spot on. That's why no Sony players
>>>>> support DVD-A.
>>>>
>>>> No, your reasoning was off. Blu-Ray is licensed to other
>>>> manufacturers for production of BluRay DVD players. There is
>>>> NOTHING in the licensing arangements that keep other manufacturers
>>>> from including DVD-A capability in
>>>> their products.
>>>
>>> We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about
>>> Sony. Show me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.
>>
>> Wrong. Take a look at the OP:
>>
>> "Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A? I
>> came across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but this
>> player seems to have a number of flaws."
>>
>> The talk wasn't just about Sony.
>
> Point is...Sony won't allow DVD-A to mix with their Bluray format.

Utter bullshit. Show us the cite for that. Panasonic has already put the two
together.

We'll wait while you dig up your information.

--
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www.davebbq.com

Dave Bugg · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 182

Gandalf wrote:
> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>
>
>
>>> The talk wasn't just about Sony.
>>
>> Point is...Sony won't allow DVD-A to mix with their Bluray format.
>
> In a Sony, yes.
>
> Other Blu-Ray manufacturers can and do.

This guy is gonna keep arguing nonsense, despite the evidence. I'll just
wait for him to produce a cite showing that Sony will not allow other
manufacturers to use DVD-A.

Rich Z · Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 12

AZ Nomad wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:53:42 GMT, grant kinsley wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:20 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
>> wrote:
>
>>> "Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
>>> $der$3@reader2.panix.com...
>>>> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>>>>> We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about Sony.
>>>> No, 'we're' not. We're talking BluRay players with DVD-A support.
>>>>
>>>>> Show
>>>>> me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.
>>>>
>>>> Sony is exclusively BluRay, but BluRay players are not exclusively Sony.
>>>>
>>>> Clear now?
>>> The OP was looking for a Bluray player with DVD-A..Sony controls Bluray and
>>> does not support DVD-A.
>>>
>>> You clear now, or are you still trying to look for a Bluray player with
>>> DVD-A support to prove me wrong?
>>>
>
>> Sony is not the only manufacturer that makes blu-ray, and the terms of
>> the license do not preclude a blu-ray player with DVD-A capability
>> (and since Panasonics first player did play DVD-A, the proof is
>> already out there)
>
>> Again Blu-ray are not specific to Sony, and the terms of the license
>> do not preclude DVD-A in the other manufacturers players. Whether
>> DVD-A is ever again included in a blu player has nothing to do with
>> Sony, it has to do with the fact that DVD-A is essentially dead and
>> not a feature that other manufacturers think will sell players.
>
> Given the expense of a BR player ( and sony's poor reliability for optical
> drives) I'd go with separates. Play DVD-A's on a player designed
> for superior DVD-A playback, and leave only hidef movies to the BR player.
>
As the OP, I can attest that some of this discussion did digress from
my intent. I recognize that I am probably in a small minority, but I do
like the DVD-A format, but I accept the reality that it is most likely a
lost cause. That being said, it would still be nice to continue to
have the capability to play the few DVD-A discs that I have.
Truthfully, I am more concerned that there is not a Bluray player
currently available that I am really happy with. The little 'whoops'
they pulled with the Bluray 1.1 profile is very irritating.

grant kinsley · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:27:54 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
wrote:

> "Dave Bugg" wrote in message
>$fZ3.4421@trndny02...
>> Obscured by Clouds wrote:
>>> "grant kinsley" wrote in message
>>> @4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:56:49 -0500, "Obscured by Clouds"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Z" wrote in message
>>>>> $0$17348$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>> Are there any newly announced Bluray players that support DVD-A? I
>>>>>> came
>>>>>> across an older Panasonic player which did (DMP-BD10), but
>>>>>> this player seems to have a number of flaws.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't look for this to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sony is exlcusive BluRay, and exclusive SACD which competes with
>>>>> DVD-A, so I
>>>>> doubt it will happen.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, your reasoning is poor, but I wouldn't expect the outcome to be
>>>> different.
>>>
>>> Actually my reasoning is spot on. That's why no Sony players support
>>> DVD-A.
>>
>> No, your reasoning was off. Blu-Ray is licensed to other manufacturers for
>> production of BluRay DVD players. There is NOTHING in the licensing
>> arangements that keep other manufacturers from including DVD-A capability
>> in
>> their products.
>
>We're not talking about other manufacturers, we're talking about Sony. Show
>me a Sony Bluray player that will fully support DVD-A.

That was never the question asked, it was about blu players that might
support DVD-A, not about Sony blu players that might. let's keep the
apples with the apples and not the oranges.

G
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