I got my new digital camera today

Jack White · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

It does show more detail, but I think to show the 6.75mhz circle as it
really is, you'd really need to use a pro 35mm camera because I just
don't think any digital camera is good enough to do this job.
If there was rock solid detail in the 6.75mhz circle, then a digital
camera would show it, but there not rock solid detail, but it's not
mush either so only a very good 35mm camera would probably show it as
it actually is.
This new camera is a lot better than the old HP Photosmart 120 though
as these pics show.
It shows a lot better detail than the old camera.
If you look really really carefull, you can see that the 6.75mhz
circle is not total total mush and you can very very faintly makeout
some detail.
Most of these pics are over 1 meg in size and you'd probably have to
copy and paste the url because the website uses anti-hotlinking
measures.
http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST1.jpg

http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST2.jpg

http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST3.jpg

http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST4.jpg

http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST5.jpg

http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST6.jpg

BTW, this is what it looks like when a monitor/tv and the dvd player
source both pass the 6.75mhz test with flying colors(see the first pic
at the link)
http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/brandspecific/toshiba/miscellaneous/540p_michaeltlv_jul02_pg1.html

Archived from group: rec>photo>digital

Sam · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

Excuse me for asking, but why test your camera by taking a shot of a
TV screen test. It seems that your TV may be part of the focus-test
problem. My D60 seems make me want better quality lens because of the
detail it shows compared to my ElanII body. I don't mean to start a
discussion of film vs digital so back to your test results. Try
shooting a high quality text image or something with crisp static
lines rather than a projected image.

If my comments are way off on what you meant... sorry
ss

jackwhite@my-deja.com (Jack White) wrote in message news:...
> It does show more detail, but I think to show the 6.75mhz circle as it
> really is, you'd really need to use a pro 35mm camera because I just
> don't think any digital camera is good enough to do this job.
> If there was rock solid detail in the 6.75mhz circle, then a digital
> camera would show it, but there not rock solid detail, but it's not
> mush either so only a very good 35mm camera would probably show it as
> it actually is.
> This new camera is a lot better than the old HP Photosmart 120 though
> as these pics show.
> It shows a lot better detail than the old camera.
> If you look really really carefull, you can see that the 6.75mhz
> circle is not total total mush and you can very very faintly makeout
> some detail.
> Most of these pics are over 1 meg in size and you'd probably have to
> copy and paste the url because the website uses anti-hotlinking
> measures.
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST1.jpg
>
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST2.jpg
>
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST3.jpg
>
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST4.jpg
>
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST5.jpg
>
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST6.jpg
>
> BTW, this is what it looks like when a monitor/tv and the dvd player
> source both pass the 6.75mhz test with flying colors(see the first pic
> at the link)
> http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/brandspecific/toshiba/miscellaneous/540p_michaeltlv_jul02_pg1.html

Jim · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

why are you posting this in dbs.echostar
"Todd Walker" wrote in message@news-server.jam.rr.com...
> In article ,
> jackwhite@my-deja.com says...
> > It does show more detail, but I think to show the 6.75mhz circle as it
> > really is, you'd really need to use a pro 35mm camera because I just
> > don't think any digital camera is good enough to do this job.
> >
>
> Did I miss something? Why do you insist on testing the resolution of
> your camera by taking pictures of your TV? Is that what you bought a
> digital camera for?
>
> --
> ________________________________
> Todd Walker
> http://twalker.d2g.com
> Olympus E20
> Canon G2
> My Digital Photography Weblog:
> http://twalker.d2g.com/dpblog.htm
> _________________________________

Rolly The Pervert · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"Dave Martindale" wrote in message$nf2$1@mughi.cs.ubc.ca...
> Todd Walker writes:
>
> >Did I miss something? Why do you insist on testing the resolution of
> >your camera by taking pictures of your TV? Is that what you bought a
> >digital camera for?
>
> No, he's testing TVs, and wants to show the results of his TV tests.
> So he photographs the visual appearance of the test pattern on the TV
> screen. Unfortunately, his previous camera was *worse* than the TVs
> he's trying to test.
>
> Dave
Still off topic here. ( alt.dbs.echostar )

I miss ubc Smile

Paul Heslop · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Jack White wrote:
>

You don't have permission to access
/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST2.jpg
on this server.
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Jack White · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

Paul Heslop wrote in message news:...
> Jack White wrote:
> >
>
>
> You don't have permission to access
> /storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST2.jpg
> on this server.

You have to copy and paste the url into your url bar to defeat the
anti-hotlinking measures.
You copy and paste by holding the right button on your mouse and
dragging the cursor over the url till the whole url is highlighted.
After the url is highlighted, you hit control Cntrl and C to copy the
url.
Then you to to the url bar at the top of your browser, and delete
everything from your url bar so that it's empty.
Then you paste the url into the url bar by pressing Cntrl and V.
Then you just hit Enter on your keyboard and you should be able to see
the pic.

Jack White · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

Todd Walker wrote in message news:...
> In article ,
> jackwhite@my-deja.com says...
> > It does show more detail, but I think to show the 6.75mhz circle as it
> > really is, you'd really need to use a pro 35mm camera because I just
> > don't think any digital camera is good enough to do this job.
> >
>
> Did I miss something? Why do you insist on testing the resolution of
> your camera by taking pictures of your TV? Is that what you bought a
> digital camera for?
>

These kinds of pics of test patterns probably aren't even 1/10th of 1%
of the pics I take with my digital camera.
It's just that this is one of the toughest tests for any digital
camera or camcorder so that's one of the reasons why I used it.

> --
> ________________________________
> Todd Walker
> http://twalker.d2g.com
> Olympus E20
> Canon G2
> My Digital Photography Weblog:
> http://twalker.d2g.com/dpblog.htm
> _________________________________

Todd Walker · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

In article ,
jackwhite@my-deja.com says...
> It does show more detail, but I think to show the 6.75mhz circle as it
> really is, you'd really need to use a pro 35mm camera because I just
> don't think any digital camera is good enough to do this job.
>

Did I miss something? Why do you insist on testing the resolution of
your camera by taking pictures of your TV? Is that what you bought a
digital camera for?

--
________________________________
Todd Walker
http://twalker.d2g.com
Olympus E20
Canon G2
My Digital Photography Weblog:
http://twalker.d2g.com/dpblog.htm
_________________________________

Dave Martindale · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 55

Todd Walker writes:

>Did I miss something? Why do you insist on testing the resolution of
>your camera by taking pictures of your TV? Is that what you bought a
>digital camera for?

No, he's testing TVs, and wants to show the results of his TV tests.
So he photographs the visual appearance of the test pattern on the TV
screen. Unfortunately, his previous camera was *worse* than the TVs
he's trying to test.

Dave

Paul Heslop · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Jim wrote:
>
> why are you posting this in dbs.echostar

Todd is merely following the thread which is being sent to
rec.photo.digital, alt.home-theater.misc, alt.dbs.echostar

though why is anyone's guess

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Paul Heslop · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Rolly The Pervert wrote:
>
> "Dave Martindale" wrote in message
> $nf2$1@mughi.cs.ubc.ca...
> > Todd Walker writes:
> >
> > >Did I miss something? Why do you insist on testing the resolution of
> > >your camera by taking pictures of your TV? Is that what you bought a
> > >digital camera for?
> >
> > No, he's testing TVs, and wants to show the results of his TV tests.
> > So he photographs the visual appearance of the test pattern on the TV
> > screen. Unfortunately, his previous camera was *worse* than the TVs
> > he's trying to test.
> >
> > Dave
> Still off topic here. ( alt.dbs.echostar )
>
> I miss ubc Smile

ah you love it really... thread is xposted to

rec.photo.digital, alt.home-theater.misc, alt.dbs.echostar
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Jim Polaski · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

In article ,
jackwhite@my-deja.com (Jack White) wrote:

> Todd Walker wrote in message
> news:...
> > In article ,
> > jackwhite@my-deja.com says...
> > > It does show more detail, but I think to show the 6.75mhz circle as it
> > > really is, you'd really need to use a pro 35mm camera because I just
> > > don't think any digital camera is good enough to do this job.
> > >
> >
> > Did I miss something? Why do you insist on testing the resolution of
> > your camera by taking pictures of your TV? Is that what you bought a
> > digital camera for?
> >
>
> These kinds of pics of test patterns probably aren't even 1/10th of 1%
> of the pics I take with my digital camera.
> It's just that this is one of the toughest tests for any digital
> camera or camcorder so that's one of the reasons why I used it.

I hate to pop your bubble, but a test pattern on a TV is NOT a difficult
test for any camera. TV tubes by their very nature are not linear. If
you had done an LCD screen I might be more generous.

That said, the real way it is done is to use test charts, not patterns
on tv tubes. I'mn sure you've seen these charts in tests over the years
in the various photo magazines.

Back to the digital drawing board.

Did I forget to mention that your test tells NOTHING of how good/bad or
whatever your chip renders color and skin tone, btw.

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JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while expecting that he will get nothing in return!"

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Jim Polaski · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

In article ,
jackwhite@my-deja.com (Jack White) wrote:

> Todd Walker wrote in message
> news:...
> > In article ,
> > jackwhite@my-deja.com says...
> > > It does show more detail, but I think to show the 6.75mhz circle as it
> > > really is, you'd really need to use a pro 35mm camera because I just
> > > don't think any digital camera is good enough to do this job.
> > >
> >
> > Did I miss something? Why do you insist on testing the resolution of
> > your camera by taking pictures of your TV? Is that what you bought a
> > digital camera for?
> >
>
> These kinds of pics of test patterns probably aren't even 1/10th of 1%
> of the pics I take with my digital camera.
> It's just that this is one of the toughest tests for any digital
> camera or camcorder so that's one of the reasons why I used it.
>

I forgot to say what you really need is a PIMA/ISO 12233 standard
resolution test chart, NOT a TV tube!

--
Regards,
JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while expecting that he will get nothing in return!"

Macintosh for productivity. Linux for servers. Palm/Visor for mobility. Windows to feed the Black Hole in your IT budget

Jack White · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

jackwhite@my-deja.com (Jack White) wrote in message news:...
> Paul Heslop wrote in message news:...
> > Jack White wrote:
> > >
> >
> >
> > You don't have permission to access
> > /storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST2.jpg
> > on this server.
>
> You have to copy and paste the url into your url bar to defeat the
> anti-hotlinking measures.
> You copy and paste by holding the right button on your mouse and
> dragging the cursor over the url till the whole url is highlighted.
> After the url is highlighted, you hit control Cntrl and C to copy the
> url.
> Then you to to the url bar at the top of your browser, and delete
> everything from your url bar so that it's empty.

Man, I can't believe I wrote this, you have to use the LEFT button on
the mouse NOT the right button. I was half asleep when I wrote that
post and that's why it's wrong.
> Then you paste the url into the url bar by pressing Cntrl and V.
> Then you just hit Enter on your keyboard and you should be able to see
> the pic.

Jack White · Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

"Gavin Cato" wrote in message news:...
> What camera did you get?
>
> I gurantee you my Nikon D100 or D1h with my 60mm/2.8 would be able to do it.
>

Well, again it's not a camera I'd mention outlound unless asked about.
My new camera is a Samsung Digimax 201.
Photography is not really my thing or my hobby, it's just that these
days a digital camera is not really a luxury, it's something you need.
I really don't know that much about cameras but you're the expert so
you probably know what you're talking about when it comes to your
cameras.

>
>
> "Jack White" wrote in message
> @posting.google.com...
> > It does show more detail, but I think to show the 6.75mhz circle as it
> > really is, you'd really need to use a pro 35mm camera because I just
> > don't think any digital camera is good enough to do this job.
> > If there was rock solid detail in the 6.75mhz circle, then a digital
> > camera would show it, but there not rock solid detail, but it's not
> > mush either so only a very good 35mm camera would probably show it as
> > it actually is.
> > This new camera is a lot better than the old HP Photosmart 120 though
> > as these pics show.
> > It shows a lot better detail than the old camera.
> > If you look really really carefull, you can see that the 6.75mhz
> > circle is not total total mush and you can very very faintly makeout
> > some detail.
> > Most of these pics are over 1 meg in size and you'd probably have to
> > copy and paste the url because the website uses anti-hotlinking
> > measures.
> >
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST1.jpg
> >
> >
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST2.jpg
> >
> >
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST3.jpg
> >
> >
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST4.jpg
> >
> >
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST5.jpg
> >
> >
> http://www.fujifilm.com.sg/storage/photos/gigantor/HOME/9bab3719a4c788b25cc39d8b9f53fc6f/TEST6.jpg
> >
> > BTW, this is what it looks like when a monitor/tv and the dvd player
> > source both pass the 6.75mhz test with flying colors(see the first pic
> > at the link)
> >
> http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/brandspecific/toshiba/miscellaneous/540p_michaeltlv_jul02_pg1.html